if romney can do it, surely they've taught paul ryan how to do it. to swaf away from his arch conservatism. >> this huge swerve that he's got to make. here's the problem. if the vice president is properly prepped for this debate, he's going to remind people of the points in paul ryan's belief system that actually discuss the idea of cruelty. the problem is him being a slick, good looking kid is going to be too good, how does he explain it, it just doesn't sound cruel. he's boxed in on a policy front and he doesn't have the experience as a candidate to really sort of make the pivot that romney did. >> joy read and karen finney, thank you for joining me. >> thanks. >>> coming up, you've heard richard shift defend big bird. tonight, he will join me later. and in the rewrite tonight, another episode of the politics of religion. a crazy republican congressman says the bible tells us everything we need to know about public policy. so i guess he's in favor of the death penalty for adultery. we'll find out coming up. ll have knowledge to make an impact in yo